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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 22, 2009 8:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Road Trips 3/1

My hunch: the drummers were pissed after RT 1/1 systematically cut out the Rhythm Devils stuff, and demanded a full second set from 1979 that did them justice.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 23, 2009 5:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Road Trips 3/1

They released two full shows from RT1-1 several months after the initial release. So this is the third show from this tour to be released by Rhino and the 4th overall by the band.

Here is my hunch: They don't have any other Brent stuff to release. Apparently much of the early 80s stuff only exists on cassettes and may not be of high enough audio quality. Look at all the Rhino releases. They had released more Vince stuff than Brent stuff to this point.

Pigpen (RT1-3, RT2-2, 3FTV)
Keith (RT1-2, RT1-4, RT 2-3, NYE '76, Winterland '73, Winterland '77, Egypt, Hartford '77)
Brent (RT1-1, RT 3-1)
Vince (RT2-1, RT2-4)

Or do it by year:

'68 -1
'71 - 2
'73 - 1 box
'74 - 1
'76 - 1
'77 - 2 + 1 box
'78 - 2
'79 - 2 (+ release of the show from RT1-1)
'90 - 1
'93 - 1

How does this make sense given the popularity of the band in the '80s? I don't think the material (sonically) is there.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Oct 23, 2009 7:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Road Trips 3/1


A few notes from one of the first Taper's Sections:

"Another exceptional end-of-November, early-December tour was that which took place in 1979, residing in the vault as PA cassette master tapes. Most of us are very familiar with the 12/1/79 Pittsburgh show, filled with great moments, but the preceding night, 11/30/79, offers some great material as well. Brent had been in the band for more than six months, and his contributions were really showing, both vocally and instrumentally. Check out the stellar version of "Passenger" from this show. Fortunately, the entirety of this tour is in the vault, and although cassette masters aren’t the ideal format from which to create an album, these have held up remarkably well.

Fast-forward a year, and we get to the monster southern shows in 1980, three in Florida and one in Atlanta. Unfortunately, only 11/26/80 and 11/30/80 are completely represented in the vault, but what a couple of shows they are, particularly the Atlanta show on 11/30. Although not without several standout moments, the occasionally lackluster shows at the Warfield and Radio City in September-October are overshadowed by this masterful performance in Atlanta, which includes the first electric version of "Bird Song" in more than seven years. Like the 1979 tour, the 1980 tours are mostly on cassette masters, but ones that are in remarkably good shape."

I'd buy 11/30/80 in a second, especially if they included a few tracks from the Dec Long Beach shows, which I believe they have in the vault.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 23, 2009 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Road Trips 3/1

That may be my favorite Scarlet>Fire and I would also purchase a release of that show. The comment about lackluster performances at the Warfield and Radio City is interesting. I tend listen to them for the acoustic sets and would also purchase a nice release of those sets. Not sure how popular an acoustic release would be given that there isn't much variety in those sets. Would it be really different than Reckoning?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 23, 2009 8:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 1980 Saenger PAC Box?

"Would it be really different than Reckoning?"

No, it wouldnt! But this would be. The vibe at these two shows is entirely different from the Warfield and Radio City runs! And as we now know, they are in the vault...

10/18/80 Saenger Performing Arts Center

Dire Wolf, On The Road Again, It Must Have Been The Roses, Monkey & The Engineer, I've Been All Around This World, Heaven Help The Fool, To Lay Me Down, Ripple Alabama Getaway-> Greatest Story Ever Told, Friend Of The Devil, Me & My Uncle-> Big River, Loser, Minglewood Blues, Althea-> Lost Sailor-> Saint Of Circumstance-> Deal China Cat Sunflower-> I Know You Rider, Feel Like A Stranger, Ship of Fools-> Estimated Prophet-> Eyes Of The World-> Drums-> Not Fade Away-> Black Peter-> Around & Around-> Johnny B. Goode, E: One More Saturday Night

10/19/80 Saenger Performing Arts Center

On The Road Again, Jack A Roe, Dark Hollow, Rosalie McFall, Cassidy, Bird Song, Heaven Help The Fool, Ain't No Lie-> Ripple Jack Straw, They Love Each Other, Mama Tried, Mexicali Blues, Candyman, Passenger, Row Jimmy-> Looks Like Rain-> Tennessee Jed-> Promised Land Scarlet Begonias-> Fire On The Mountain, Samson & Delilah, Terrapin Station-> Drums-> Truckin'-> Wharf Rat-> Sugar Magnolia-> Good Lovin', E: Brokedown Palace


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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 23, 2009 8:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1980 Saenger PAC Box?

Well we know the electric set is there. I was surprised they didn't play any of the acoustic stuff.

I agree, that would be an interesting release.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Oct 23, 2009 9:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Road Trips 3/1

The Scarlet especially, very well played. That is a tight band. Making the albums had the same affect on the band as it did in 1972 (on a different level obviously). Just a shame that so many listened to the whittled down Dead Set and gave up on 1980.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 23, 2009 8:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Road Trips 3/1

A lot to like about this RT release. I think as someone else mentioned you get an awful lot of good music there for just 20 bucks. I also like the 'Let it Rock' JGB 1975 show they're pairing w/it for free shipping. That '75 debut version of JGB played some very hot shows.